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I want to talk a little bit more about the innocence project though as well, which you've been actively involved with for a long time and also ended up becoming the subject of the third movie you directed.
Or was it Scandal? Then I didn't really think about it much. It's a metaphor for power.
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She declined. And then the prop people come in. It takes a lot of forms, and is something I'm fascinated with and always trying to explore in my work and in my relationships. That I thought, well, no, but this also can be put to good use because it does give you some leverage.
The first time that idea became a thing for me, actually, was when I did that play I mentioned to you, The Sum of Us. And I don't know if it made her uncomfortable. And I attracted a lot. Tony: I think it really did. Tony: So we're always having to kind of like reinvent our relationship to that end.
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That was the first time I experienced that sexual focus on myself. Tony: Seven. I felt I'm no different.
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We have this volume of interaction, but all of it is paper thin and it's all metaphorical, back to the idea of sex as a metaphor. Because, when I'm not exercising dynamic interaction on these issues then I'm just contributing to the problem. And how do you balance those things? Conviction is the true story of a woman named Betty Anne Waters whose brother was convicted of murder inI can't believe I've forgotten.
They create a fantasy of how they want to see you. Tony: Oh yeah, that does happen. And it is, it's hard and we change.
Are you, because I confronted myself daily about my white privilege as well my white male privilege is insane. The video shows Koikas posing by a tree in a long summer dress. I'm a storyteller, so people sx into that. Sometimes it's a little embarrassing. Liz: So at this point in your career, how do wznt define success? And, sometimes, whereas maybe for a long time, I always thought that you had to insist on the other thing all the time.
And for the first several years we were together, Jane made more money than me and then that rebalanced itself. Like when I'm working in the theater, money's not a part of it, but the fact that I can take care of my family and stuff that's ificant and being in the game is fun and sx to me too. Open profile Tweet snap nine women have come forward accusing self-help guru tony robbins of sexual misconduct, including four who spoke out after a massive buzzfeed news investigation that chronicles decades of alleged sexual misconduct.
I first heard about the innocence project when I was started developing that movie, and it took us quite awhile to get the movie off the ground, which we finally did. And I felt that they were endowing me with importance that I didn't earn or didn't deserve or sense of specialness wabt I didn't deserve.
Tony: Well, it's weird. If a woman was coming at me sexually or saying, Oh my God, I'm in love with you, or whatever it was like as fans do, I'm always polite, but I don't perceive that as being real. It turns out of course that there were hundreds of thousands of people in prison for crimes that they did not commit. I'm going to put you on the spot here, but ever since I was a kid, I have never not had a friend of any gender identification not have a crush on you.
Like that's not cool either. Wibes it been 32 years? I think I went to 14 or 15 different states, maybe more I can't remember. Liz: Seven seasons. So I was always super conscious of it. We know what is my responsibility in this, conversation. That's part eant the job that I do.
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